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<p>When people visit a therapist’s office for help with their depression, they often don’t find the relief they’re seeking. That’s because much of the counsel that is traditionally given doesn’t offer the context people need to make sense of and preserve their mental well-being.</p>
<p>Here to share these missing pieces of perspective and strategy is Dr. Scott Eilers, a clinical psychologist and the author of <a href="https://amzn.to/4mpB3wM"><em>The Light Between the Leaves: 6 Truths Your Therapist Won’t Tell You About Healing Depression and Trauma</em></a>. Today on the show, Scott shares why the world of psychology doesn’t always offer the most useful explanations for why people can sometimes feel alienated from their own lives. We then talk about insights Scott has gleaned from science, nature, and lived experience as to the mindset shifts and habits that can help you stay sharp, steady, and engaged in life — whether you’re struggling with chronic depression, or just adrift in a low-grade funk.</p>
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Podcast #1,113: Truths Your Therapist Won’t Tell You About How to Get Your Mind Right
